Session Start: Tue Sep 11 00:00:00 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[07:21]<+camerongray> hey jacky
[07:22]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[07:22]<+camerongray> How are youi?
[07:22]<+camerongray> you*
[07:22]<@jacky> doing ok. tnx
[07:22]<@jacky> yourself?
[07:23]<+camerongray> Good thanks, so tired though, "Fresher's Week" at University, hardly slept!
[07:23]<@jacky> too much beer?
[07:23]<@jacky> :)
[07:23]<+camerongray> lol, not too much ;)
[07:24]<@jacky> do you live on campus?
[07:24]<+camerongray> It's more the fact that the events finish at 3am :P
[07:24]<+camerongray> Nah, stay at home
[07:24]<@jacky> ok
[07:24]<@jacky> what sort of events last 'till that hour?
[07:24]<+camerongray> Party/club nights
[07:24]<@jacky> hehe
[07:24]<@jacky> I hope your first class is at 7:00am
[07:24]<@jacky> heh
[07:24]<+camerongray> Edinburgh doesn't really have a campus as such, loads of buildings throughout the city
[07:25]<+camerongray> lol
[07:25]<+camerongray> Many of the buildings are hundreds of years ofl
[07:25]<+camerongray> old
[07:25]<@jacky> I know it is early, but do you have a major in mind?
[07:25]<@jacky> (we don't have many buildings even 200 years old. hehehe)
[07:26]<+camerongray> lol
[07:26]<@jacky> I know it is early, but do you have a major in mind?
[07:26]<+camerongray> Major? Not sure what we call it here
[07:26]<+camerongray> Ahh, Computer Science BSc
[07:26]<+camerongray> Possibly with Electronics
[07:26]<@jacky> is BSc = business?
[07:27]<+camerongray> Bachelor of Science
[07:27]<@jacky> to me, Computer Science is programming. not learning how to use somebody else's software, but actual programming. If that is what you meant, I think that is great. :)
[07:28]<+camerongray> Yeah, a lot of information processing too, very interesting
[07:28]<@jacky> Electronics, to me, is the study of theory and applying it to actual hardware. I think that is great too. very interesting stuff.
[07:28]<+camerongray> All linux based so no learning how to use MS Office :P
[07:28]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:28]<+camerongray> I've always been interested in electronic
[07:28]<@jacky> CS should not be 'using' linux, but writing linux. :)
[07:28]<+camerongray> electronics*
[07:28]<+camerongray> lol
[07:28]<+camerongray> They do have their own distro :P
[07:29]<+camerongray> This is one of the university buildings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_College,_University_of_Edinburgh
[07:29]<@jacky> camerongray: get your ham radio license. you will meet some interesting (and some knowledgable) people. Age means nothing... it is not a barrier... you meet people that can tell you about electronic theory from 50 years ago, and you address them by their first name.
[07:30]<+camerongray> Yeah, very little ham stuff here
[07:30]<@jacky> you'd be surprised
[07:30]<+camerongray> Not sure how licencing works
[07:30]<@jacky> here.. the license is issued by our Federal govt. probably the same there
[07:30]<@jacky> take a test, etc.
[07:30]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:30]<@jacky> here, the cost of the license is free
[07:31]<+camerongray> Cool
[07:31]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, This is the building I'm in: http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~jessicac/images/appleton-tower.jpg
[07:31]<+camerongray> Voted as the ugliest building in the city :P
[07:31]<@jacky> if you like electronics, you'd like the studying for it. it is not in-depth, to pass the test. after that, you can go as deep as you wish.
[07:31]<+camerongray> Cool
[07:32]<@jacky> the second pic... that is a modern concrete building, isn't it?
[07:32]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:32]<@jacky> the first one..... I guess it is stone?
[07:32]<+camerongray> Yep
[07:32]<@jacky> barring a nuke, it will last forever
[07:32]<+camerongray> The tower is very nice inside though
[07:32]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[07:32]<+camerongray> Wow, just noticed how old that photo is, the car park is now a building
[07:32]<+camerongray> A VERY nice building
[07:33]<+camerongray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Informatics_Forum_University_of_Edinburgh.JPG
[07:33]<@jacky> are all those cars I see, English cars?
[07:34]<+camerongray> Not really, loads of countries
[07:34]<+camerongray> There's a few Fords .etc
[07:35]<@jacky> not close enough for me to recognize any....
[07:35]<@jacky> heck
[07:35]<@jacky> new cars, I can't recognize anyways!
[07:35]<+camerongray> lol
[07:35]<@jacky> everything looks like a toyota anymore
[07:35]<+camerongray> lol
[07:35]<+camerongray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Informatics_Forum_University_of_Edinburgh.JPG - this is the new building they built opposite where I work, It's amazing!
[07:36]<@jacky> what are you doing here? isn't it around 2:30 there? no class?
[07:36]<+camerongray> The whole inside is all open and glass
[07:36]<+camerongray> nah, "Fresher's Week"
[07:36]<@jacky> and that means... ?
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[07:36]<+camerongray> lol, Going out all night :P
[07:36]<@jacky> tuff life... hehe
[07:36]<+camerongray> yeah
[07:36]<+camerongray> Lectures start next week
[07:36]<+camerongray> Even then, only a couple a week
[07:37]<@jacky> here, college usually starts in late August, but they get out in early to mid May
[07:37]<@jacky> I guess you stay later...
[07:37]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:38]<+camerongray> Not sure how this compares to US colleges, in the UK colleges work similar to high schools with regular classes
[07:38]<+camerongray> Universities have lectures but most work is done in your own time either at home or in the labs
[07:39]<@jacky> I used 'college' and 'university' interchangeably. to me, the difference in them is usually size
[07:40]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:40]<+camerongray> In the UK they are very different
[07:40]<+camerongray> Colleges tend to teach a lot of practical things that are related directly to a specific job
[07:40]<+camerongray> Usually easier to get in
[07:41]<@jacky> to me, that sounds like technical school
[07:41]<+camerongray> Universities teach a lot more research and theory
[07:41]<@jacky> or perhaps a 2 year school
[07:41]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:41]<@jacky> universities here are larger, and do often have much more in the way of variety and resources... but I think the type of education and quality is on par
[07:41]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:42]<+camerongray> University is expensive too in the US?
[07:42]<@jacky> very
[07:42]<+camerongray> Ahh, Free in Scotland XD
[07:42]<@jacky> can't be
[07:43]<@jacky> somebody is paying for it
[07:43]<@jacky> :)
[07:43]<+camerongray> lol, government
[07:43]<@jacky> see?
[07:43]<+camerongray> England have to pay though :P
[07:43]<+camerongray> lol
[07:43]<@jacky> not sure if it will be in my lifetime, but in yours... you will see big changes
[07:43]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:44]<@jacky> the world.. my country.. all of them... cannot continue to just spend, spend, spend
[07:44]<@jacky> by going into debt
[07:44]<+camerongray> Yeah, same here
[07:44]<@jacky> and when that time comes, it won't be pretty
[07:44]<+camerongray> Accommodation at the university is very expensive though so I'm just staying at home
[07:44]<+camerongray> Something like ?100 a week
[07:45]<@jacky> if it is close by, I can understand
[07:45]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:45]<+camerongray> 4 miles or so
[07:45]<@jacky> is that for a room, or meals too?
[07:45]<+camerongray> Just a room, meals are a little more
[07:45]<@jacky> actually, that amount of money isn't too bad
[07:45]<+camerongray> The rooms look okay but they are very limited
[07:46]<@jacky> heh
[07:46]<@jacky> small?
[07:46]<+camerongray> Some don't let you take a TV for "Electrical Safety"
[07:46]<@jacky> ah. old building
[07:46]<+camerongray> Nah, just not been PAT tested
[07:46]<@jacky> but you can take a 2KW stereo, right? heeheh
[07:46]<@jacky> what is PAT ?
[07:47]<+camerongray> lol - Some sort of test that needs to be carried on electrical appliances for them to be used in commercial buildings
[07:47]<@jacky> ok
[07:48]<@jacky> your first lesson in electronics: All electronic things run on smoke, not electricity
[07:48]<@jacky> did you know that?
[07:48]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[07:48]<@jacky> therefore, you never want to let the smoke out
[07:48]<@jacky> :)
[07:48]<+camerongray> What they are basically saying is I can take my untested, self built, overclocked, PC that literally heats my room but not my Sony TV that I literally took out the box and plugged in
[07:48]<+camerongray> lol
[07:49]<@jacky> so you have too much government too, eh?
[07:49]<@jacky> hehehe
[07:49]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[07:49]<@jacky> "it is good for you" and "we just want to make you safe"
[07:49]<@jacky> classic
[07:49]<+camerongray> I'll probably wait until next year when I know how much I'll be earning
[07:50]<+camerongray> Then look for accomodation
[07:50]<@jacky> what do you do, now?
[07:50]<+camerongray> "Technical Analyst" at "Lynchpin Analytics Limited"
[07:50]<+camerongray> Fancy title for software developer :P
[07:51]<@jacky> you write programs?
[07:51]<+camerongray> Yeah, analytics scripts to monitor usage of websites
[07:51]<@jacky> what lang?
[07:51]<+camerongray> Javascript and PHP mainly
[07:51]<+camerongray> Some Perl too
[07:51]<@jacky> nice
[07:52]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:52]<+camerongray> Generally companies use premade analytics systems like Google Analytics but we use them to track fancy features of the site such as Flash games
[07:53]<@jacky> cool
[07:53]<+camerongray> Or one thing I was working on was to track what sections of a page have been viewed by recording when they were scrolled into the visible area of the window
[07:53]<@jacky> and you tell what is visible?
[07:54]<@jacky> isn't that a fucntion of the size of the monitor, on the viewing end?
[07:54]<+camerongray> Yeah, I need to calculate it from the scroll position and the height of the browser frame
[07:54]<+camerongray> Can be done through Javascript
[07:54]<+camerongray> I generally use the jQuery javascript library, has so many useful features
[07:55]<@jacky> ...so the user's browser sends that info to the website? is that it?
[07:56]<+camerongray> Well, it's all done in javascript
[07:56]<+camerongray> When they view part of the page it then sends the info to the server
[07:57]<@jacky> cool
[07:57]<@jacky> just thought of something.. dont' know why...
[07:57]<@jacky> do you use Thunderbird ?
[07:58]<+camerongray> I use it at work and on my work laptop
[07:58]<@jacky> upgraded lately?
[07:59]<@jacky> mine wanted to upgrade the other day, and I did
[07:59]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:59]<@jacky> guess what I noticed?
[07:59]<@jacky> they add IRC to it
[07:59]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, I spotted that
[07:59]<+camerongray> Not tried it yet
[07:59]<@jacky> did you try it?
[07:59]<@jacky> ok
[07:59]<@jacky> I did... didn't fully explore it..
[07:59]<+camerongray> Cool
[07:59]<@jacky> of course, I prefer mIRC, and I admit that is due to familiarity
[07:59]<@jacky> but it was interesting to see it there
[08:00]<+camerongray> Yeah, I use XChat
[08:00]<@jacky> IRC is oooooooold... and yet there it is, included in new software
[08:00]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:12]<+camerongray> gah, I hate forms that make "County" a required field, Edinburgh isn't in a county!
[08:14]<@jacky> heh
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[09:10]<Tux22> Hey guys
[09:45]<+camerongray> I HATE HP!
[09:45]<+camerongray> Oh hi tux2 :P
[09:45]<+camerongray> Or Tux22
[09:46]<Serpent> Tux2^2 :)
[09:47]<+camerongray> lol
[09:51]<+camerongray> How can a 6 month old laptop be almost unusable!
[09:59]<Tux22> lol
[09:59]<Tux22> Not quite sure camerongray, mine is still working fine
[10:00]<+camerongray> Yeah, what is yours
[10:00]<+camerongray> ?
[10:00]<Tux22> HP G62
[10:00]<+camerongray> Ahh, this is a g7
[10:00]<+camerongray> Feels a lot worse quality than the g62
[10:01]<+camerongray> Mouse cursor skips, sound stutters and wifi randomly disconnects
[10:01]<+camerongray> It's my mum's, used like once a week
[10:01]<+camerongray> Only has office installed :P
[10:02]<Tux22> lol
[10:02]<Tux22> here's my exact laptop: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157423
[10:04]<Tux22> Of course though I upgraded the ram to it's max: 8GB
[10:05]<Tux22> If I ever save up enough money though I want this laptop: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp7
[10:40]<+camerongray> Nice!
[10:41]<+camerongray> At all down to the fact it comes with Ubuntu? :P
[10:41]<+camerongray> I'm tempted to get my mum an SSD, she never stores much
[10:42]<Tux22> lol camerongray, more like it has a full HD screen and has full linux compatibility
[10:42]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:42]<+camerongray> I love high density displays
[10:42]<+camerongray> My desktop has 2x 1920x1200 @ 22"
[10:43]<+camerongray> My work laptop on the other hand (ThinkPad L512) is 1366x768, drives me insane!
[10:44]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, the g62, does yours have a calculator key?
[10:44]<Tux22> yes
[10:44]<+camerongray> Drive you insane?
[10:44]<Tux22> but no separate numberpad!
[10:45]<Tux22> hitting the calculator instead of ctrl? YES!
[10:45]<+camerongray> Used a friend's, kept opening the stupid calculator every few seconds
[10:45]<Tux22> lol
[10:45]<+camerongray> He ended up sticking a bit card over that row
[10:46]<+camerongray> The HP 625s have volume controls there, not as annoying but still can be a bit of a pain
[10:46]<+camerongray> I've set up 4 of them, one for a friend, 3 for a youth club
[10:47]<+camerongray> Great value, Athlon II P320, 3gb RAM, 320gb, Windows 7 Pro for ?280
[10:48]<+camerongray> Very good quality too, feel like solid business laptops
[11:09]<Tux22> Awesome
[11:24]<+camerongray> Right, I'm going to remake my mum's website in Drupal
[11:24]<+camerongray> My home made CMS is $?@&
[11:36]<Craig> Why does your mom need a website?
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[11:57]<+camerongray> Her business :P
[11:58]<+camerongray> will show you it next time I "see" you
[11:58]<+camerongray> g2g
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[14:22]<Craig> Hello Kevin
[14:24]<Kevin> Hello thar :O
[14:25]<Craig> Man, Jacky is not online long enough...
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Session Start: Tue Sep 11 16:30:08 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [16:30] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[16:30] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[17:47]<Craig> Now all I need is for Jacky to transfer ChanbotV over to the Other server.
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